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Since: Jul 30, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:00 am
Post subject: Sibling Survival
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Hi,
I have been away for a while. Heavy construction in my area has kept my
pigeons from laying eggs. This has stopped and the pigeons are getting
back to normal.
Today one of two eggs in a nest hatched, 18 days after it was laid. (The
weather has been in the 90 degree range recently). The other egg, laid
16 days ago is showing no external sign of pipping but I can barely hear
scratching inside the egg. I assume that chick will hatch in 24-48
hours. (I have been candling the eggs daily since they were laid and the
first egg has always been developmentally about 1 day advanced over the
other).
My question is this. Will the second chick on its own be able to survive
in the nest, e.g. get enough food, being 24 or 48 hours behind its
sibling? If not, is there anything I can do to even the odds, such as
supplementally feed the younger chick or remove the older chick from the
nest a few times a day so the younger one has no competition for feeding?
Thanks.
C.J. Scheiner
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Since: Sep 01, 2005
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:10 am
Post subject: Re: Sibling Survival [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi CJ,
you can try all of that. You can also try a foster parent.
Usually, when the hen lays her eggs, she does not sit on them until she
lays the second, that way they hatch at approx. the same time.
E-Man
erosbooks.DeleteThis@att.net wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been away for a while. Heavy construction in my area has kept my
> pigeons from laying eggs. This has stopped and the pigeons are getting
> back to normal.
>
> Today one of two eggs in a nest hatched, 18 days after it was laid. (The
> weather has been in the 90 degree range recently). The other egg, laid
> 16 days ago is showing no external sign of pipping but I can barely hear
> scratching inside the egg. I assume that chick will hatch in 24-48
> hours. (I have been candling the eggs daily since they were laid and the
> first egg has always been developmentally about 1 day advanced over the
> other).
> My question is this. Will the second chick on its own be able to survive
> in the nest, e.g. get enough food, being 24 or 48 hours behind its
> sibling? If not, is there anything I can do to even the odds, such as
> supplementally feed the younger chick or remove the older chick from the
> nest a few times a day so the younger one has no competition for feeding?
> Thanks.
> C.J. Scheiner
> NYC, NY >> Stay informed about: Sibling Survival |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:59 am
Post subject: Re: Sibling Survival [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thank you E-Man. I believe that chicks feed mainly off their
internalized yolk sac for the first 2-3 days, so I waited until the
older chick was 4 days old (and the younger 2 1/2 days old) and moved
from the nest into a dark paper lined box the older chick, and covered
it with a piece of cloth, from 2 PM until 6 PM. While that chick slept
the younger one got about three full feedings. I repeated this the next
day. The following day the chicks were 4 oz and 3 3/4 oz respectively so
I have stopped interfering and both seem to be doing OK and staying the
same size.
C.J. Scheiner
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ef29.TakeThisOut@drexel.edu wrote:
>
> Hi CJ,
> you can try all of that. You can also try a foster parent.
>
> Usually, when the hen lays her eggs, she does not sit on them until she
> lays the second, that way they hatch at approx. the same time.
> E-Man
> erosbooks.TakeThisOut@att.net wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have been away for a while. Heavy construction in my area has kept my
> > pigeons from laying eggs. This has stopped and the pigeons are getting
> > back to normal.
> >
> > Today one of two eggs in a nest hatched, 18 days after it was laid. (The
> > weather has been in the 90 degree range recently). The other egg, laid
> > 16 days ago is showing no external sign of pipping but I can barely hear
> > scratching inside the egg. I assume that chick will hatch in 24-48
> > hours. (I have been candling the eggs daily since they were laid and the
> > first egg has always been developmentally about 1 day advanced over the
> > other).
> > My question is this. Will the second chick on its own be able to survive
> > in the nest, e.g. get enough food, being 24 or 48 hours behind its
> > sibling? If not, is there anything I can do to even the odds, such as
> > supplementally feed the younger chick or remove the older chick from the
> > nest a few times a day so the younger one has no competition for feeding?
> > Thanks.
> > C.J. Scheiner
> > NYC, NY >> Stay informed about: Sibling Survival |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:15 am
Post subject: Re: Sibling Survival [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi CJ,
I'm glad it worked.
But actually, after hatching, there is no internalized yolk sac.
(That is used up in the egg.)
They are immediately fed, for the next day or two, what is called
'pigeon milk' by the parents. It is not actually milk, but a slimey
soft
substance that sluffs off of the lining of the parents crop. This
substance
has alot of the vitamins and minerals that the baby needs, and it also
acquires
alot of immunities from this. About the second day after hatching, the
parents basically feed whole seeds and water.
E-Man
erosbooks.TakeThisOut@att.net wrote:
> Thank you E-Man. I believe that chicks feed mainly off their
> internalized yolk sac for the first 2-3 days, so I waited until the
> older chick was 4 days old (and the younger 2 1/2 days old) and moved
> from the nest into a dark paper lined box the older chick, and covered
> it with a piece of cloth, from 2 PM until 6 PM. While that chick slept
> the younger one got about three full feedings. I repeated this the next
> day. The following day the chicks were 4 oz and 3 3/4 oz respectively so
> I have stopped interfering and both seem to be doing OK and staying the
> same size.
> C.J. Scheiner
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ef29.TakeThisOut@drexel.edu wrote:
> >
> > Hi CJ,
> > you can try all of that. You can also try a foster parent.
> >
> > Usually, when the hen lays her eggs, she does not sit on them until she
> > lays the second, that way they hatch at approx. the same time.
> > E-Man
> > erosbooks.TakeThisOut@att.net wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I have been away for a while. Heavy construction in my area has kept my
> > > pigeons from laying eggs. This has stopped and the pigeons are getting
> > > back to normal.
> > >
> > > Today one of two eggs in a nest hatched, 18 days after it was laid. (The
> > > weather has been in the 90 degree range recently). The other egg, laid
> > > 16 days ago is showing no external sign of pipping but I can barely hear
> > > scratching inside the egg. I assume that chick will hatch in 24-48
> > > hours. (I have been candling the eggs daily since they were laid and the
> > > first egg has always been developmentally about 1 day advanced over the
> > > other).
> > > My question is this. Will the second chick on its own be able to survive
> > > in the nest, e.g. get enough food, being 24 or 48 hours behind its
> > > sibling? If not, is there anything I can do to even the odds, such as
> > > supplementally feed the younger chick or remove the older chick from the
> > > nest a few times a day so the younger one has no competition for feeding?
> > > Thanks.
> > > C.J. Scheiner
> > > NYC, NY >> Stay informed about: Sibling Survival |
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